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[Hazel]

This is an abortion at 10 weeks.


More aborted babies at 10 weeks.


What's left- 10 weeks

[Cherish Wisdom]

Obviously these photos demonstrate that these organisms are human beings. It is known that the heart can be heard at only 6 weeks of gestation. WE are the only species that aborts and kills their own offspring. I've known some women who have had abortions and this CHOICE has ruined their lives.
Women are not told of the fertility problems they may face after an abortion. They are not told that they will always remember what they did. There is no way to replace what was lost.
A child is a special gift. I have five - and can't immagine life without any one of them.
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[Madeleine]

These photos are so upsetting. If I weren't sat in an office with lots of other people I'd probably cry.
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[pyre]

[fuzz2050]

shock doesnt make a valid argument.

you oppose abortion, thats a given.

now, you oppose abortion, so you are in favor of stoping abortion?

anyone dissagree?

now, to stop abortion, you have two alternatives, one is addoption, and two is elleminating unwanted pregnancies.

now lets ignore addoption for now, to make it easy.

to eliminate unwanted pregnancies, you could preach abstinance and hope it works, or you could distribute condoms, birth control pills and the like, and you would know you made a significant difference in the abortion rate

[Madeleine]

[newseed]

[fuzz2050]

To distrubute condoms and birth control pills would only encourage to have sexual relations outside of marraige.

is that true, lets look at other thigns. look at prostituion, in america, its illegal. does that mean nobody does it? no. not at all, it jsut means they do it illegally. in amsterdam its legal, does that mean everybody does it? no, those who would do it in america would also do it in amsterdam, only with much less risk.

people have sex. face it. its a fact, as long as there are people, there will be people having sex in ways you dissaprove of. if you accept that fact, then its clear cutting abortion will not do any good. it just means that were going to have a bunch more single teenage mothers with more children than they can handle, living on welfare.

and instead of advocating change on "hollywood", a nonexistant entity, you could have a real, positive effect on abortion by making the church endore birth control.

unless that is that you dont oppose abortion, but instead you oppose sex. in that case, i cant even begin to make an argument against faith that blind

[newseed]

[fuzz2050]

then do as you say, and educate people. have the church fund school classes teaching children all about sex. teach them about stds and sin. does that sound like a bad idea, show both sides.

[newseed]

[fuzz2050]

i never said there were any, and i wholly respect your personal commitment to abstain untill marrige. it does add an extra bond between you and your partner.

however, many people are not ready, or simply do not wish to make this commitment. there always have been, and there always will be. extra and premarital affairs have always taken place. show me an era in history and ill show you an extramarital afair.

now, if we can accept the fact, the rest is obvious.

and the church is not doing all it can, it has denied that condoms are an effective barrier against HIv, and is refusing to alllow missionarrys in africa to distribute them.

[newseed]

[fuzz2050]

i do not except the church to condone adultery or anything else it doesnt belive in, i do however expect an organization of such strnegth to do its best to solve problems. giving out condoms does not promote adultery. there wernt bowls of trojans in planned parenthood lobbies in biblical times, but people still adulterated. condoms would however stop the unsesseary death adn suffering of millions of people, and anoter plus, reduce the number of abortions.

[webmaster]

and the result of that would be?

[fuzz2050]

the reasults would be millions of lives saved, the number of abortinos reduced, the spread of HIV slowed to a halt, the increased presteige of the church, the faster industrialisation of african coutnries, the proliferation of civil rights, and more

[faithman]

OK; take a big cage, divide it with plastic wrap, and put a dozen tigers who haven't been fed in a week on one side. Are you going to trust the plastic wrap enough to protect you to get into the cage? That is about as much sence as condom use makes. Even conservative failure rates are 80%. If an airplane had a 20% chance of crashing, I don't think that many would be riding. Condoms do not stop HPV which causes curvical cancer in woman. the only safe sex is that which is conducted between life time relationships of a man and a woman. That is the only legitimate position of the church. The promotion of birth control [including abortion] is saying that man is smarter than God. Isn't that the lie of satan that got us in trouble in the first place? HHHHHHMMMMMM
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[fuzz2050]

the general consent is on 88% with averige use, meaning used by uneducated people. condom breakage under ideal circumstances is closer to 98 percent.

and if used in conjunctino with another form of birth control, for instance the pill and a condom, then, the only way to get pregnant is by devine intervention.

but that aside, hpv does not cause civical cancer, and if your doctor told you that, he is either wrong, or dumbing it down to you. out of the 30 varietys of hpv, between 3 to 5 of them have been shown to increase the risk of cirvial cancer. oh...and by the way, a condom does provide a resonable effective barrier against hpv. assuming there is no outbreak if you wear a condom, while it is not failproof, you have very little risk of infection.

and does it not say adn imply hundreds of tiems in all sorts of religious scriptures "god helps those who helps themselves" and is not the condom a great sign of us helping ourselves. it prevents the spread of almsot all stds, it effective agaisnt unwanted pregnancy, will eliminate or at least greatly reduce abortion.