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Myceena
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 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 02:06 pm Post subject: The sun is not a star? |
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| Please tell me no one in this forum has adopted this mindset... |
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Aineo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 02:18 pm Post subject: |
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How long did it take you to find a site that does not understand allegory?
I have moved this thread to a more appropriate forum.
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Myceena
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| Actually, when I heard a friend thought this way also, I looked it up on google. But if you want to be technical, it took 14 years. |
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Aineo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 03:48 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose a straight and respectful answer is to much to expect from a 14 year-old now-it-all.
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Myceena
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 04:26 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe I could say the same about you.
Edit: and "know" is spelt with a "k", smart one.
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Alpha
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 04:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Myceena wrote: | | Maybe I could say the same about you. |
You're not talking about the 14 years part, are you? 
Awaiting Aineo's response.......... |
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Alpha
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 04:53 pm Post subject: |
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Myceena:
Seriously though, Aineo makes a point with the allegorical argument. But let's say that the sun was not a star. Why should you imply that it would be nonsese to believe so? Aren't you humble enough to admit that you do not know everything and that certain "scientific facts" which man has established can be wrong? |
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Myceena
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| What do you mean? It has been proven that the sun is a star, by solar wind and comparative pictures by NASA. And, it's like saying "you're not a human because the bible said so!" |
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Alpha
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| Myceena wrote: | | What do you mean? It has been proven that the sun is a star, by solar wind and comparative pictures by NASA. And, it's like saying "you're not a human because the bible said so!" |
It's not like saying I'm not a human. Realizing other human beings is intuitive. It does not need proof. Knowing whether the sun is a star or not requires vast searching through use of technology, which leaves room for error. |
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Myceena
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 07:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ...It does not need vast proof... I can tell by looking up in the sky during the day, and looking through a telescope at alpha centauri. |
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Aineo
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First Myceena, you made an issue of your age with your first post and in your sarcastic answer to my question. As to my occasional spelling errors, this can be explained by my medical condition and the meds I take to manage the condition.
Now as to the site you found, the author has demonstrated his ignorance. For example: | Quote: | Psalms 8:3-8
3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained,
4 What is man that You are mindful of him,
And the son of man that You visit him?
5 For You have made him a little lower than the angels,
And You have crowned him with glory and honor.
6 You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands;
You have put all things under his feet,
7 All sheep and oxen --
Even the beasts of the field,
8 The birds of the air,
And the fish of the sea
That pass through the paths of the seas.
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Verse 3 does not mention the sun but does mention the stars leaving us with the conclusion the sun is a star.
I can prove using select verses from the Bible that God is a chicken. | Quote: | Psalms 17:8-9
8 Keep me as the apple of Your eye;
Hide me under the shadow of Your wings,
9 From the wicked who oppress me,
From my deadly enemies who surround me.
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Psalms 36:7
7 How precious is Your lovingkindness, O God!
Therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of Your wings.
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Psalms 57:1
Be merciful to me, O God, be merciful to me!
For my soul trusts in You;
And in the shadow of Your wings I will make my refuge,
Until these calamities have passed by.
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Or a masonry building: | Quote: | 2nd Samuel 22:2
"The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
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Psalms 31:3
3 For You are my rock and my fortress;
Therefore, for Your name's sake,
Lead me and guide me.
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Tell me Myceena, do public schools still require literature courses where you are taught literary devices such as allegory, pun, parallelism, anthropomorphism, and etc.? I wonder if the author of the site could explain why we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway or how a house can both burn up and burn down?
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Myceena
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as for your taking of medicine, I apologize for that, and for the literature, I go to the finest catholic high school in the province, so I would hope that my literature is covered, although I may get taught about allegory, parallelism, anthropomorphism and other things later. So far, I have yet to learn this, for I have just started grade nine english.
And your posts sound a little bit sarcastic and bitter sometimes, so I'll be more mindful in the future to recognize those other "orys" and "isms". |
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Aineo
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| Myceena wrote: | as for your taking of medicine, I apologize for that, and for the literature, I go to the finest catholic high school in the province, so I would hope that my literature is covered, although I may get taught about allegory, parallelism, anthropomorphism and other things later. So far, I have yet to learn this, for I have just started grade nine english.
And your posts sound a little bit sarcastic and bitter sometimes, so I'll be more mindful in the future to recognize those other "orys" and "isms". |
Apology accepted, and my blunt manner is often taken as sarcastic and bitter so you are not alone in your perception. BTW, English should be capitalized. 
I doubt even the best Catholic school in Canada will teach all the literary devices used in Scripture since the Catholic church takes some allegorical passages as literal and some as what they are - allegories. Atheists who should know better make an issue over idioms, which is another literary device we all use without knowing we use them.
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Dust21
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So in reply to Myceena's original question, does anyone here think it's possible that the sun is not a star? I find it difficult to imagine people who could believe without a shadow of doubt that something so clearly scientifically proven is wrong just because the Bible says it is.
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Aineo
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The Bible does not say the sun is not a star any more than the Bible denies named constellations are stars. | Quote: | Job 9:9
9 He made the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades,
And the chambers of the south;
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Job 38:31
31 "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?
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Amos 5:8
8 He made the Pleiades and Orion;
He turns the shadow of death into morning
And makes the day dark as night;
He calls for the waters of the sea
And pours them out on the face of the earth;
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Myceena
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| Welcome, Dust. Glad you joined. |
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